[OhQP-mail] N1MM networking and stuff

Kenneth Silverman kenny.k2kw at gmail.com
Mon Jul 9 15:53:52 CDT 2012


There are 3 Cardinal rules for N1MM networking.  If you follow them, the
network is rock solid:

1)  Always use static IP addresses. Do not use the computer name and
dynamic IP addresses.  The use of dynamic IP addresses is the source of
most networking problems with N1MM.  It takes a little extra time to change
to static IP addresses, but it's well worth it.
2)  Make sure each table of IP addresses on each computer is in the same
order
3)  Station 0 is the only station that connects to the internet (if used)

If you follow those basic rules, N1MM is rock solid.  I thought the
networking section in the N1MM manual was well written and easy to follow.

Now, I will digress into serial numbers (at my own peril):

Serial numbers have been an issue for decades (yes decades).  It's not a
function of the contest rules, nor really the way people use their
stations.  The issue is it's very difficult for the software people to code
it correctly!  Sounds like an easy thing to code, but it hasn't been.
Until N1MM developed a true serial number server, serial numbers never
worked well for any contest software.  Networked N1MM will do a single
number string very well.  There might be a few missed numbers, but it's
minimal (this happens you "reserve" a number by trying to work a station,
but you don't work him and wipe the serial number).  The key thing about
N1MM is what is sent is logged.  That's not the case in other contest
software.

IMHO (and not that of the OhQP BOD), is do your best with serial numbers
given the software you are using.  The most important thing is NOT to mess
up what was sent as compared to what was logged.  Do NOT post process
(combine) logs IN the logging software, as the QSO numbers might get
reordered/changed.  Always post-process external from the logging
software.  And ALWAYS make backup copies of the logs BEFORE you start to
combine them.

73, Kenny K2KW


On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Tom Hain <tvh9992000 at yahoo.com> wrote:

>  Richard-
>     I would suggest loading N1MM.  It's free and setting up the network
> isn't that difficult.  Get the PC's networked together first and then
> merely follow the directions to get N1MM setup.  If you need a hand, please
> let me know.  And, N1MM lets you work dupes where N3FJP's program does not
> allow that feature (which in today's world, is essential).
>
>     Have a great day-
> 73
> tom  KV8Q  ar
>
>
>   *From:* Hank Greeb <n8xx at arrl.org>
> *To:* ohqp-mail at ohqp.org
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 7, 2012 2:21 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [OhQP-mail] multi operator loging help with serial numbers
>
> Richard:
>
> It sounds like the folks who wrote the current rules have no conception of
> how most multi-multi stations are set up and operated. Maybe they should
> ask how a "typical" multi multi station is set up for bands and modes.
>
> Setting up for a networked version of N1MM, for example, takes someone
> skilled in the art of reading hieroglyphics (though the last tutorial I saw
> seemed close to "normal English") to set it up for contesting, and a second
> genius who know about computer networking to set up the special network it
> requires. Once you get something like that set up, though, N1MM networked
> mode works likes a champ.
>
> 73 DE n8xx Hg
>
> On 7/7/2012 1:25 PM, Richard Lang ford KS8LCD wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have a question regarding multi operator and multi mode logging
> >
> > Current our club is using the N3FJP software suite for event loggings,
> >
> > We have download and installed the latest state QSO Party logging
> software from there site.
> >
> > I sent him an email regarding the NON Network abilities with his program
> for state QSO parties in hopes he had an easy less confusing answer to
> Multi Operator and or Multi Modes on a band. See below
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > : Hi Rick,
> >
> > Thanks for your e-mail. Right now, I have network versions coded for six
> of my contesting programs. After the rewrite, I hope to have network
> versions for all of them.
> >
> > Presently, other than Field Day, the stand alone versions of my software
> are not designed to combine your log data. If you are very careful, you can
> open each of your log.txt files in Notepad and then copy and paste the data
> into a master file. Be very careful not to introduce any extra carriage
> returns or formatting characters. You'll want to double check the end of
> the file as that is where extra carriage returns often appear. Of course,
> back up all your data before your begin. This method will not check for
> duplicates.
> >
> > 73, Scott
> >
> > N3FJP
> >
> > http://www.n3fjp.com <http://www.n3fjp.com/>
> >
> > /Serving the Amateur Radio community with contesting and general logging
> software since 1997./
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Richard Langford KD8LCD <kd8lcd at kd8lcd.com <mailto:
> kd8lcd at kd8lcd.com>>
> > To: snkdavis <snkdavis at aol.com <mailto:snkdavis at aol.com>>
> > Sent: Wed, Jul 4, 2012 7:18 pm
> > Subject: state QSO party question
> >
> > Hello Scott
> >
> > The Field day software worked well, we are registered club: call sign
> W8AJT
> >
> > We are going to do the Ohio state QSP Party coming up in august, so I
> installed the software on my computer to see how it works, at first I had
> the 1,7 version and noticed on the site 1.9 was available so I grabbed and
> installed it. But I’m still at a loss regarding using the software with a
> Multi Op environment.
> >
> > The FD Network version allows you to set a path or map to a shared
> directory for access to the database or adif file for the other stations
> nothing like that in the state QSO software?
> >
> > So I figured not a big issue we can import and export, well that doesn’t
> seem to be an option either, wait even if it was it might be a problem
> since there is a serial number involved with the outgoing exchange.
> >
> > So how can we track serial number assignment to qso’s
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Scott answer seems okay to a point
> >
> > But now regarding the rules as you have posted on the site:
> >
> > /*Bands & Modes*/*:
> > CW and SSB on 80, 40, 20, 15, and 10 meters. Stations may be worked once
> per mode on each band; i.e. K8MAD may be worked on both 40 CW and 40 SSB
> for point credit. Each station may be contacted 10 times (once per each of
> the 5 bands and once per mode on each band).*
> >
> > *MULTI OPERATOR: Entries where more than one operator performs the
> operating and logging functions or stations that use Skimmer*.
> Multi-operator entries may employ multiple transmitters simultaneously and
> are not categorized by power. All multi operator entries are classified as
> mixed mode.*
> >
> > **
> >
> > /Exchange/:
> >
> > *Taken from your Ohio QSO party rules:*
> >
> > **
> >
> > ·*//**/Multi-op stations who can't maintain sequential serial numbers
> regardless of band/mode shall give serial numbers by band mode (75m ssb 1-#
> 75m ssb qsos, 80m cw 1-# 80m cw qsos, 40m ssb 1-# 40m ssb qsos, 40m cw 1-#
> 40m cw qsos and so on...)./**//*
> >
> > *//*
> >
> > I am really confused regarding the above can anyone provide some
> examples possibly
> >
> > For instance if we were to run say 3 stations 1 on 20 Phone, 1 on 10 M
> phone and a 40M CW station..
> >
> > ????????
> >
> > Next how about 20M phone and a 40 meter Phone and a CW station
> >
> > Or 2 phone and a CW
> >
> > I get the part about each station tracking spate serial numbers? That is
> understand, what is confusing is: */(75m ssb 1-# 75m ssb qsos, 80m cw 1-#
> 80m cw qsos, 40m ssb 1-# 40m ssb qsos, 40m cw 1-# 40m cw qsos and so
> on...)./**//*
> >
> > *//*
> >
> > *//*
> >
> > */What is the exchange we give ??? or have I made this harder than need
> be,/*
> >
> > */Do we just operate each station independently assigning serial numbers
> as each station goes, than at the end I combine the output files? If so the
> serial numbers are screwed up then/*
> >
> > *//*
> >
> > */Any examples using a multi operator mixed mode exchange would really
> be helpful./*
> >
> > */Sorry if I have made this more confusing then need be, just want to
> get it correct beforehand so all the members of our group understand/*
> >
> > *//*
> >
> > *//*
> >
> > Any help greatly appreciated
> >
> > *//*
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > KD8LCD
> >
> > for W8AJT
> >
> >
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